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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Open Letter to The Pastor of Northside Church of Christ

I have written this open letter to the pastor of the church that hosted the creationist conference in my town last weekend.

I am horrified that Dr. Harrub could so blatantly misrepresent science. I can't say whether it was out of dishonesty or negligence. Doesn't matter. A man with his credentials should research his claims about his opposition's claims, before writing a presentation based on them. I think anyone is obligated to do that.

I wonder if anyone at the church has checked up on the facts that Dr. Harrub has presented. Duh. I know better than that. They were not there to learn about scientific claims and to discuss why and if the claims were wrong. They were there to have their beliefs confirmed. Heck! I can't blame them for that.

Wanting beliefs confirmed is something that every human being I know of wants. But, how far do you take it? Is having a belief system confirmed so important that the honesty and accuracy of the claims take a backseat to having someone say that what you believe is right? Maybe, for others, but not me.
Dear Pastor,

I attended the conference that was hosted by Northside Church of Christ on Friday, December 4th and Saturday, December 5th featuring Dr. Brad Harrub. I feel that I have a moral obligation that I must inform you that Dr. Harrub misrepresented current accepted scientific knowledge. Whether this was done intentionally or unintentionally, I do not know. However, because of Dr. Harrub's credentials, I expected his research and information to be accurate and to faithfully represent his opponents actual position. However, this was not the case. I recognized at least ten times, during the lectures, when Dr. Harrub was not correctly describing the current accepted knowledge of the subject he was refuting.

I am not writing this letter to argue whether your position is right or wrong. I am writing because I feel that your church did not get the quality of lecture and accuracy that should be demanded of a man with Dr. Harrub's credentials. I even suspect that he may have intentionally misrepresented the opposing position, in order to make his refutation easier. This is what is known as a Straw Man Argument <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man>.

I consulted my father, who is pastor like yourself, before writing this letter. He informed me that if Dr. Harrub was intentionally misrepresenting the opposing position, then he was bearing false witness, which is a violation of one of the ten commandments. In other words, "It's easy to prove someone wrong, if you lie about him." Of course, I can not say whether or not Dr. Harrub was being purposefully deceitful and I have no idea as to what his motivation would be.

I can imagine that the members of Northside Church of Christ pay tithes and that those tithes were used to hire Dr. Harrub to speak at the conference. Speakers with his credentials do not usually come cheap. I feel that your church deserves a higher quality of information, considering the amount of money that speakers with such credentials often ask for.

The following four paragraphs are just two examples of several instances, that I noticed during the lecture, where Dr. Harrub misrepresented the scientific position. I am including links to the Wikipedia pages that present a more accurate depiction of the actual scientific position.

In the lecture Genesis vs. Darwin, Dr. Harrub claimed that the planet Jupiter is radiating more heat than it receives from the sun. He further claimed that if the universe is 14 billion years old (I think he said 23 billion, but that can be forgiven), then Jupiter should have cooled completely and should no longer be radiating heat.

Dr. Harrub is probably right that Jupiter would have completely cooled by now, if it was 14 billion years old. However, it is not the current accepted theory that Jupiter (for that matter, the entire Solar System including The Sun), is as old as the universe. As far as I know, it has never been the scientific position that the solar system is as old as the universe. The current understanding is that The Solar System formed from a condensing cloud of dust and gas about 4.5 billion years ago, give or take. This includes The Earth, and Sun, and all the other planets that orbit The Sun, including Jupiter. Dr. Harrub is either confusing the age of the universe with the age of The Solar System, or deliberately misrepresenting the position of cosmologists on this subject. Either way, it is Dr. Harrubs responsibility to research the opposing position so that it can be accurately represented in his presentation. The information is freely available on the internet, so in my opinion, he has no excuse. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_system#Formation_and_evolution>

In the lecture The Dinosaur Dilemma, Dr. Harrub claims that a fossil skeleton of a mammal was found that has parts of a dinosaur in its stomach. He then claims that this fossil contradicts the theory of evolution, because science claims that dinosaurs preceded mammals and that these two classes of animals did not co-exist.

It is absolutely true that a fossil mammal was found with a dinosaur in its stomach <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repenomamus>. I agree that this is very good evidence that some mammals preyed upon small dinosaurs. Dr. Harrub, however, misrepresents the scientific position again. It is, in fact, accepted science among paleontologists that mammals did in fact co-exist with dinosaurs. The theory is that mammals and dinosaurs evolved around the same time from two different types of reptiles, respectively. True dinosaurs appear in the triassic evolving from a class of reptiles called archosaurs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_dinosaurs>. Primitive mammals also appear in the triassic, evolving from a class of reptiles called synapsids <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammals>. True mammals appear later in the jurassic. It is the scientific position among paleontologist that dinosaurs and true mammals co-existed from about 180 million years ago until the extinction of the dinosaurs about 65 million years ago, give or take. As a matter of fact, later in the same lecture, Dr. Harrub presents a slide that includes a timeline from a science text book. The timeline correctly places mammals first appearing in the triassic. The fact, that Dr. Harrub actually has the correct information concerning the accurate position of scientists on the co-existence of mammals and dinosaurs on hand, yet still misrepresents the scientific position, is very suspicious to me.

Again, it is not my purpose, in writing this letter, to argue whether your position is right or wrong. My purpose, in this letter, is to accuse Dr. Harrub of either intentionally or negligently misrepresenting the opposing position. By misrepresenting the opposing position, Dr. Harrub's arguments are invalid, because the scientific community does not actually hold the position that Dr. Harrub refuted. If he had represented the scientific position faithfully, I would not be writing this letter. I feel that the members and ministers of Northside Church of Christ have been short-changed and deserved to have a speaker that can make his arguments and still correctly represent the beliefs of his opponents.

I do have audio recording of all the lectures during the first two days of the conference and video of the lecture on the first day. If you recall, you did give me permission to record the lectures. However, I promised Dr. Harrub that I will not post any of my recordings on the internet. I do not think that I legally need his permission, but it is a common courtesy to ask. I will honor that promise. However, I do have permission to quote him directly from my footage. If you need me to directly reference the places where Dr. Harrub misrepresents scientific claims, I can. I did however notice that your church had also recorded video of the lectures. I urge you to research his claims yourselves to determine whether or not the facts and positions are accurately represented.

I was truly disappointed in the conference and the speaker. I was, at first, a bit angry and felt that the people in my community, the people I consider my friends, despite differences in beliefs, had been intentionally swindled. I have now revised my position in that I do not know whether or not Dr. Harrub was being dishonest. It could be that Dr. Harrub is just ignorant of his opponent's position. Either way, I expect a speaker with Dr. Harrub's credentials to present a lecture that faithfully represents the facts. I do not feel that the members of Northside Church of Christ received the quality of presentation that they paid for, no matter what they were charged, even if he did it for free.

Your fellow traveler down the road of life,





Robert J. Madewell
I really hope that he replies to this letter. I met the pastor. I thought he was a very nice man. He seems to be a person that you could confide in. However, I regret that I didn't learn his name. How could I be so negligent! He didn't offer his name when I introduced myself and I looked on their website (which appears to be unmaintained). I couldn't find his name anywhere. Oh well, pastor is just going to have to do in this case.

Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Godless Gourmet and The Creationism Conference

Hey guys! Since, I am not working because of health issues, I decided to something I always wanted to do. I now have a sister blog that has nothing at all to do with atheism, except that the author is an atheist. It's called Godless Gourmet. I'm going through some of my own recipes and standardizing them. I'm also going to try some of the more interesting internet recipes and document the experience. If any of you guys are food hounds like me, check it out and give me some pointers and ideas.

I've been trying to work on the other blog for a week and haven't found alot of time to work on either of my blogs. Finally, I posted my first recipe over there, so now I feel I can tell y'all about it.

Don't worry about this blog, though. I attended a Church of Christ creationist conference last weekend, so I have lots to write about. I think even met one of our anonymouses. I told you guys that I suspected that some of our anonymouses was from my local churhces! Now I know that at least one was.

I have concerns about the speaker. It has nothing to do with differences in belief. My concerns have to do with honesty. The speaker is an extremely educated man and has legitimate degrees from accredited universities. I was impressed about that at first, but when he started talking about science, I became quite dismayed.

His arguments were strawman after strawman. I recognized over two dozen instances where he misrepresented science. And, not even subtly. I have heard similar arguments from local pastors. However, none have the credentials that this man does. I do not feel that I am unjustified in expecting a higher quality of research and information from him than from the local youth pastor. That's why I suspect that this man is purposefully and intentionally lying to his audience. That disturbs me much more than anything a fundy could say about my post expiration destination. I still identify a little with fundamentalists. I still expect them to value honesty and accountability just like they claim to do. Since, I can prove that many of the speaker's claims about current science understanding is wrong, I have decided to write an open letter to the pastor of this church explaining to him why I feel that he has been swindled.

Well, I'm not going to keep you guys hanging, so here's a sample where Dr. Brad Harrub very likely lied about current scientific knowledge.

Dr. Harrub claims that the planet Jupiter is radiating more heat than what it recieves from the sun. As far as I know this is true. He further claimed that if the universe is 14 billion years old, in that time Jupiter should have cooled off completely. He'd probably be right if Jupiter was 14 billion years old. Current understanding is that the solar system formed all about the same time. The Sun, Jupiter, and the Earth are all roughly the same age and they're not 14 billion year old. I think the figure is 4.5 billion years. If he used that figure in his math, I'd bet he'd come up with a different result. Doesn't matter, because, this information is readily available to anyone with a pooter. Like I said, I hold his information to a higher degree of quality because of his credentials. So, it looks suspicious to me.

Sunday, November 29, 2009

One Ding Bat Slamming Another

Appearantly Howard Stern doesn't like Kirk Cameron's proselytizing at college campuses. I agree with Stern on several points, but Stern got something wrong.

Kids are allowed to open their bibles at school. They are allowed to have them and they are allowed to read them on their own time. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a bible in every school library in this country. What's not allowed is a teacher teaching from the bible. Unless, of course, it's a comparative religion class or something like it.

Also, I didn't like them critisizing Cameron for being a child star who worked with Alan Thick. So what, Howard! I don't think anyone should listen to you because, you have your own radio talk show! Same thing!

There are atheists out there that I just can't stand and Stern is at the top of that list.



Part 2 Part 3

P.S. I love it when the caller trys out Pascal's Wager on Stern. Stern handles it real well. He doesn't argue the wager at all. He restates his position and insists that the caller deal with that. The caller had nothing to stand on. Though Stern didn't have to call him an idiot.

Wednesday, October 28, 2009

I Found The Loch Ness Monster!

Here's something of interest to skeptics.

A few months ago, The Sun published this uncritical article. Seems that a security guard was playing with Google Earth and claims to have spotted The Loch Ness Monster.

I was so excited about it that I decided to find The Loch Ness Monster myself on WikiMapia.

Well, I found it! Here's my picture.

Click here to see it on WikiMapia.
Now, here's the image that The Sun published.

Wow! Want to know a secret? My picture is not in Loch Ness, but in Lake Taneycomo near Branson, Missouri.

Is there a lake monster at my old fishing spot? Lake Taneycomo and Loch Ness are two completely different lakes. So, what does the two lakes have in common? Boats. Both pictures are of boats. I'm sure of it.

Friday, August 28, 2009

My Favorite Church

My favorite fundamental baptist church is now judging those christians that accept established science. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Shiloh Baptist Church may be a little intolerant. It may be time for me to visit again. I wouldn't dream of trying to stop what they're teaching. I just want to know what they're teaching.

Take a look.
IF YOU DONT
BELIEVE IN GENESIS
YOU DONT BELIEVE
IN JESUS
I know lots of christians that will be disappointed to hear this. He doesn't actually mean The Book of Genesis, he means creationism. Replace Genesis with creationism in the message and that's probably closer to what this minister is trying to say.

Do I have to remind everybody that christianity does not equal creationism? There are a several denominations that accept established science. Even one of them is a fundamentalist denomination! Take a look at The Church of The Nazarene.

Click here to see the other side of this sign.

Friday, July 10, 2009

I'm in the top 10%

Over at BruceDroppings I was directed to a 12 question quiz about recent scientific discoveries. I got all 12 questions right.



Take The Quiz

I'm not real proud because the questions were mind-numbingly easy. Anyone with a little education should be able to answer every one of them correctly. It's stuff you hear in the media and stuff you learn at school.

I am a bit disturbed that the age group that did pretty bad was the one right out of high school.

Monday, April 27, 2009

Bill Nye "Attacks" Faith!

I dont know why it has taken three years for this story to get out. Bill Nye "The Science Guy" was booed, yelled at, and walked out on in 2006 at a lecture in Waco, Texas. What do you suppose he said that angered these folks so much? He said that the Sun is only one of billions of other stars in the galaxy and that the Moon is not really a light, but reflects light from the Sun. Oh! Horror! He stated facts and taught real science! Oh Noes!

Even though I live in one of the most religious areas in the US, I still find it hard to believe that some Christians can be so willfully ignorant that they would reject something as widely accepted as that. Nye didn't even say anything about evolution.

BTW, The Bible is wrong about the Sun and Moon. That's a proven fact.

Tuesday, April 7, 2009

My Entry for the Stick Science Contest (Rejected)

I have entered the Stick Science Contest. Here's my entry.

Click on pic or here for 640x480 size.
Click here for the printable PDF.

I encourage everyone to enter. I hope I win.

I was informed of the contest by Phil Plait at Bad Astronomy.

Saturday, April 4, 2009

Open Mind

PZ Myers at Pharyngula and Phil Plait at JREF posted this video. I thought it was about the best explaination of critical thinking I have ever seen.
Spread this one around, guys, because this is what we're all about.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009

Another Orby Picture


Click pic for full size.

I took some more pictures of dust particles that some people think are ghosts [sigh].

Monday, January 12, 2009

GotQuestions Contradiction

I was just reading over at my new favorite christian website, GotQuestions.org and I noticed a funny little discrepancy. In the article Did God use the "big bang" to create the universe? I found this wonderful denial of the Big Bang Theory.
In the Bible, God is eternal and the matter and the universe are not. There are different versions of the Big Bang theory, but in most of them the universe and/or matter is eternal. In Genesis 1, the existence of God is assumed, "In the beginning God..." The true purpose of the Big Bang theory is to deny His existence.
Then in the article Is God imaginary? we find this interesting argument.
These facts being evident, it then becomes quite easy to offer a simple, reasonable, logical proof for God in the following way:

1. Something exists
2. You don’t get something from nothing
3. Therefore, something necessary and eternal exists
4. The only two options are an eternal universe or an eternal Creator
5. Science has disproved the concept of an eternal universe
6. Therefore, an eternal Creator exists

The only premise that can be attacked is premise five, but the fact is every drop of evidence in the possession of science points to the fact that the universe is not eternal and had a beginning.
Number five is the one that caught my attention. It is true that science has proven that the universe had a begining. There is a scientific theory that says that the universe is not eternal. Does anyone know what that theory is called? Is it the Big Bang Theory? Yes, it is.

If you deny a scientific theory should you be allowed to use it as proof of the existence of God?

Friday, November 28, 2008

I don't know how to respond to this video.

This guy needs to read Leviticus 19:18. If you're easily offended, please don't listen to this guy.
[YouTube Link]

I can feel the christian love.

Saturday, November 22, 2008

Tail Like a Cedar!

The local (to me) mega-church BNC has videos posted on YouTube. I actually thought alot of BNC, until I watched this video. Pastor O'Dell here is spouting the same ol' arguments about dinosaurs with cedar trees for tails and Job chapter 40. I'll explain after the video.



The tail like a cedar always gets me. Here's the King James version of the verses he cites.
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Job 40:15-19

I can hop on my feet like a kangaroo. Does that mean that I have feet like a kangaroo? No! The prepositional phrase "like a kangroo" describes the verb "hop", not the noun "feet". To take a prepositional phrase any other way is dishonest. Anyone who has had an english class in high school should realize that.

Verse 17 says, "He moveth his tail like a cedar ..."

"Like a cedar" is a prepositional phrase that is acting like an adverb describing the verb "moveth". In other words, behemoth moved his tail back and forth like a cedar does in the wind. Lots of animals (elephants, hippos, african buffalo, rhinos) could be described as doing that. They do that to keep the flies off of their butts.

Really, it's pointless to argue which animal is behemoth. Job is a cautionary tale that probably wasn't even intended by its author to be taken literally.

Here's a nit to pick. O'Dell says in the video that the english word "dragon" comes from the hebrew word δράκων (drakōn). Well, as you can see by the greek letters, the word is greek, not hebrew. I'll give O'Dell the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he knew of the words greek orgin. It was just a slip of the tongue. I can't fault him for that. I'm sure my spelling and grammar is horrible in this very post.

Here's another nit. O'Dell states that the earth according to scientists is 4.54 trillion years old. Actually the number is 4.54 billion years. That's probably a simple slip up too. However, he claims that scientists are making up dinosaur species in order to disprove his religion. I don't buy it.

The reason there is such a thing as creationism is because science and human knowledge is contradicting the literal interpretation of the bible. O'Dell's religion relies entirely on a literal interpretation of the bible. If even one verse is proven to be wrong, the truth of the rest of the bible is questionable. If you doubt that there are mistakes in the bible, I've written an article about three of them.

I'm an atheist, so I don't understand the importance of taking the bible literally. Why can't christians keep the good parts of the bible (like Leviticus 19:18) and throw away the bad parts (like Deuteronomy 21:18-21)? Why does it have to all be right?

Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Orbs at work!

Part of my job is to take pictures of our product before we ship it out. This particular picture is of the inside of an FRP storage tank. Of course, I work in a very dusty environment. When the flash goes off, it sometimes catches images of out of focus dust particles. That's what the blurry circles are. However, some people who fancy themselves as ghost hunters say that these "orbs" are actually the souls of the dear departed. They often blow up the pictures of "orbs" saying that faces can be seen in them. I've enlarged two of the orbs in my picture. What do you think? I still think it's just dust particles.

The original photo is too big to put on the blog. Download the big picture.

Here's a nice orb.


And the brightest one in the picture.


Commenter Eshu has an excellent article on orbs on his blog.

Saturday, August 9, 2008

Check out Jupiter!

Last night I noticed that Jupiter is pretty bright. It's near the horizon directly south for those of us near the north 36th parallel, in the evening sky. I wasn't able to see the planet tonight because of cloud cover. Maybe we'll see it tomorrow. Should be good viewing with a good pair of 'nocs. Here's a screenshot from Stellarium.

Sunday, August 3, 2008

Laminin!

My nephew yesterday informed be about laminin. Laminin is a molecule that holds cell membranes together. What is so fascinating to fundies about this molecule seems to be that it is usually depicted in diagrams shaped like a cross. In this YouTube video, Louie Giglio shows a diagram of it and the audience gasps! Of course, Giglio explains that this is proof of God and that Jesus is holding our cells together.



The cross shape is a simple geometric pattern. I bet there are many other molecules that can be diagramed as a cross. As a matter of fact, you can unfold a cube into the shape of a cross. Jumping to the conclusion that a molecule that can be diagramed as a cross is significant, is fallacious.

This is not much different than classic pareidolia, except that in this case the pattern is not random, but a simple geometric shape. The significance lies in the fact that Christians are taught that the cross has significance. So when a simple geometric pattern shows up in nature, it supposedly prooves that God left his signature in the very structure of the cell?

Edit:
This isn't the first time I've come across Louie Giglio. He enters the realm of astronomy here. I had trouble watching this. He pirated someone elses animation, then he botches the pronunciation of most of the stars. He also confuses the constellation Canis Majoris with a star in that constellation. I think he should stick to the Bible and leave science alone.

Edit:
I posted a copy of this article on the Fayetteville Freethinkers Forum. It generated some good discussion about other molecules with fasinating structures (with pictures).